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		<title>Comment on Sex Before Marriage among christians by Father Lawrence</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I noticed that in asking the survey question; Did you wait until you were married to have sex? you did not mention the ancient Hebrew word "zanah" which translates-sexual idolatry and not fornication which comes from the Latin word fornix in the 14th century A.D. Variations of the word "zanah" also include caressing (the caressing of sexual organs of the male and female bodies). Sexual idolatry alludes to the rituals of orgies after the worship of heathen nations' false gods. God's meaning of "zanah" included all forms of sex whether it be the touching of a woman's breasts (pettying), oral and anal sex as well as the act of sexual intercourse.

For a woman or man to take part in any sexual activity with or without an orgasm(s), they were guilty of sexual idolatry in the sight of God. Hence, one did not have to have sexual intercourse to lose their virginity. One only need to partake of any form of sex to lose their virginity. They were no longer sexually pure.

If this information were made known before taking the survey, you would have seen much higher percentages of those who had "sex" before marriage.

Bless you all for your work.

His Humble servant,
Father Lawrence]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed that in asking the survey question; Did you wait until you were married to have sex? you did not mention the ancient Hebrew word &#8220;zanah&#8221; which translates-sexual idolatry and not fornication which comes from the Latin word fornix in the 14th century A.D. Variations of the word &#8220;zanah&#8221; also include caressing (the caressing of sexual organs of the male and female bodies). Sexual idolatry alludes to the rituals of orgies after the worship of heathen nations&#8217; false gods. God&#8217;s meaning of &#8220;zanah&#8221; included all forms of sex whether it be the touching of a woman&#8217;s breasts (pettying), oral and anal sex as well as the act of sexual intercourse.</p>
<p>For a woman or man to take part in any sexual activity with or without an orgasm(s), they were guilty of sexual idolatry in the sight of God. Hence, one did not have to have sexual intercourse to lose their virginity. One only need to partake of any form of sex to lose their virginity. They were no longer sexually pure.</p>
<p>If this information were made known before taking the survey, you would have seen much higher percentages of those who had &#8220;sex&#8221; before marriage.</p>
<p>Bless you all for your work.</p>
<p>His Humble servant,<br />
Father Lawrence</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on Kinnaman, “Unchristian” by John in TN</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 00:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whatever positive virtues the church may be appear have are mostly gutted by the "hypocritical" - more than anything this turns young people away. And, I think they are puzzled when the church is pro-gay!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever positive virtues the church may be appear have are mostly gutted by the &#8220;hypocritical&#8221; - more than anything this turns young people away. And, I think they are puzzled when the church is pro-gay!</p>
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		<title>Comment on 39% of Christianity Today readers leave church by JacobSchriftman</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 01:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing this info, Ron! Very interesting. I have a hard time relating to a particular church at the moment, too - and, if I did have to pick, would resonate with the Emergent movement perhaps more than with any other. I recently spoke on a DTS in which Emergent thought had a big influence. Seems to be spreading. If it creates a more open-minded, truth-loving, and relevant Christianity, I'm all for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this info, Ron! Very interesting. I have a hard time relating to a particular church at the moment, too - and, if I did have to pick, would resonate with the Emergent movement perhaps more than with any other. I recently spoke on a DTS in which Emergent thought had a big influence. Seems to be spreading. If it creates a more open-minded, truth-loving, and relevant Christianity, I&#8217;m all for it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Theism and God by Jonah4_4</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, Open Theists do not claim God's future to be quite as open as their critics say they do.  The knee-jerk reaction when learning of this idea (I know it was mine) is to go from thinking of a future securely and meticulously planned by God straight into a future busted wide open where God bumbles about aimlessly [kind of like us].  But this is not the picture that open theists describe.  Neither do open theists have any trouble finding confidence in God despite the critics' straw-man picture of a God powerless against the future.  I think we can all agree that God is ULTIMATELY ABLE to do anything He wills to do.  Open theists do not see that ultimate ability affected by an open future.  God's future is not so open that he can no longer WILL to do things, and He in no way loses the ABILITY to do as He wills.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Open Theists do not claim God&#8217;s future to be quite as open as their critics say they do.  The knee-jerk reaction when learning of this idea (I know it was mine) is to go from thinking of a future securely and meticulously planned by God straight into a future busted wide open where God bumbles about aimlessly [kind of like us].  But this is not the picture that open theists describe.  Neither do open theists have any trouble finding confidence in God despite the critics&#8217; straw-man picture of a God powerless against the future.  I think we can all agree that God is ULTIMATELY ABLE to do anything He wills to do.  Open theists do not see that ultimate ability affected by an open future.  God&#8217;s future is not so open that he can no longer WILL to do things, and He in no way loses the ABILITY to do as He wills.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on Kinnaman, “Unchristian” by jasondcp</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just one question? 

Isn't the unbelieving world suppose to look at us (The Church) with the wrong light? If only the Spiritual man can discern Spiritual things. Doesn't this imply that none Spiritual people (Dead in their sins) would look at the church and not see her for what  
she really is. 
Also as a side note, we are the aroma of Christ, to those who are being saved we are an aroma of Life and to those who are perishing we are an aroma of death.

jason]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one question? </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t the unbelieving world suppose to look at us (The Church) with the wrong light? If only the Spiritual man can discern Spiritual things. Doesn&#8217;t this imply that none Spiritual people (Dead in their sins) would look at the church and not see her for what<br />
she really is.<br />
Also as a side note, we are the aroma of Christ, to those who are being saved we are an aroma of Life and to those who are perishing we are an aroma of death.</p>
<p>jason</p>
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		<title>Comment on Church Attendance, Emergence and where we are going by Tim Stoner</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Stoner</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[My son Jonathan, on staff for two years at Kona's School of Digital Filmaking returned to tell us about a new church experience he and a fellow staffer had designed. They called it Starbuck's Church. On Sunday, rather than head into the established ecclesiastical venues nearby, they, instead would go to pile into a friend's Jeep, grab coffee while dowloading a Rob Bell sermon, then head out to drink, listend and gaze at the ocean. I told him I found it all utterly enticing, especially now in the middle of a Michigan blizzard that has closed down even the local colleges.

I live in Grand Rapids, the home of Rob and Mars Hill Church. I jokingly say I was Emergent before it was cool and now that it is, I'm not. I'm a lawyer and an author. Nav Press is releasing my book: The God Who Smokes the day after Valentine's. I wanted to alert you that Nav will be sending you a free copy. If the University of the Nations is the correct address.) I wrote it for Jonathan, and my three other 20-something children and their friends. I appreciate most of its critique, it is its theological (or anti-theological) trajectory that gives me great pause. 

The God Who Smokes, could properly be called an autobiographical (personal narrative) theological primer for the X- Gen. It is meant to provide a solid place to stand for those intrigued, or compelled, by Emergent Theology's deconstruction of orthodoxy. But, because I take seriously the need to "sneak past the watchful dragons" as C.S. Lewis advises, the oblique critique is artfully (I trust) wrapped inside stories of me growing up as a fundamentalist missionary kid on several continents. It also talks about sex, art, beauty and our inconsolable longing for Father and Home. And, because many in that demographic carry a deep father-wound each chapter ends with a father's blessing. 

I would be honored for you to read it and provide a response. I am hoping that it could be of spiritual profit for the students who are being impacted by the teaching of the SBS. 

Tim Stoner]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son Jonathan, on staff for two years at Kona&#8217;s School of Digital Filmaking returned to tell us about a new church experience he and a fellow staffer had designed. They called it Starbuck&#8217;s Church. On Sunday, rather than head into the established ecclesiastical venues nearby, they, instead would go to pile into a friend&#8217;s Jeep, grab coffee while dowloading a Rob Bell sermon, then head out to drink, listend and gaze at the ocean. I told him I found it all utterly enticing, especially now in the middle of a Michigan blizzard that has closed down even the local colleges.</p>
<p>I live in Grand Rapids, the home of Rob and Mars Hill Church. I jokingly say I was Emergent before it was cool and now that it is, I&#8217;m not. I&#8217;m a lawyer and an author. Nav Press is releasing my book: The God Who Smokes the day after Valentine&#8217;s. I wanted to alert you that Nav will be sending you a free copy. If the University of the Nations is the correct address.) I wrote it for Jonathan, and my three other 20-something children and their friends. I appreciate most of its critique, it is its theological (or anti-theological) trajectory that gives me great pause. </p>
<p>The God Who Smokes, could properly be called an autobiographical (personal narrative) theological primer for the X- Gen. It is meant to provide a solid place to stand for those intrigued, or compelled, by Emergent Theology&#8217;s deconstruction of orthodoxy. But, because I take seriously the need to &#8220;sneak past the watchful dragons&#8221; as C.S. Lewis advises, the oblique critique is artfully (I trust) wrapped inside stories of me growing up as a fundamentalist missionary kid on several continents. It also talks about sex, art, beauty and our inconsolable longing for Father and Home. And, because many in that demographic carry a deep father-wound each chapter ends with a father&#8217;s blessing. </p>
<p>I would be honored for you to read it and provide a response. I am hoping that it could be of spiritual profit for the students who are being impacted by the teaching of the SBS. </p>
<p>Tim Stoner</p>
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		<title>Harald Bredesen dies</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Dec. 29, 2007
Harald went to be with the Lord.  He was a beacon to many of us about how to walk in the Spirit.  He will be missed greatly.  To see his ceremony of tribute go to the blog link on my web site for Pat Robertson.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dec. 29, 2007</p>
<p>Harald went to be with the Lord.  He was a beacon to many of us about how to walk in the Spirit.  He will be missed greatly.  To see his ceremony of tribute go to the blog link on my web site for Pat Robertson.
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		<title>Top 10 Blog Posts on Christianity Today for 2007</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[December 27, 2007
Top 10 Posts of 2007
A year ago on this blog it seemed hard to imagine that 2007 would surpass 2006 in traffic and participation, but that is exactly what happened. Thanks to the thousands of Ur-banites that read this blog everyday and drive the conversation, 2007 has been the best since Out of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2>December 27, 2007</h2>
<h1>Top 10 Posts of 2007</h1>
<p>A year ago on this blog it seemed hard to imagine that 2007 would surpass 2006 in traffic and participation, but that is exactly what happened. Thanks to the thousands of Ur-banites that read this blog everyday and drive the conversation, 2007 has been the best since Out of Ur launched in ’04. Thanks for sharing your time and insights with us. You&#8217;ve made this blog an engaging place to discuss the intersection of ministry, culture, and theology.</p>
<p>Here are the top ten posts from 2007. These were not determined by the editors, but by Ur’s visitors. These are the posts which received the most traffic and provoked the most comments.</p>
<p>ONE<br />
<a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2007/10/willow_creek_re.html"><strong>Willow Creek Repents?</strong></a><br />
Why the most influential church in America now says &#8220;We made a mistake.&#8221;</p>
<p>TWO<br />
<a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2007/11/heresy_on_tour.html"><strong>Heresy on Tour?</strong></a><br />
Popular pastor/author Rob Bell’s controversial message: God loves you.</p>
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<div>THREE<br />
<a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2007/03/gordon_macdonal.html"><strong>Gordon MacDonald&#8217;s 2008 Questions</strong></a></p>
<p>FOUR<br />
<a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2007/10/willow_creek_re_1.html"><strong>Willow Creek Repents? (Part 2)</strong></a><br />
Greg Hawkins responds with the truth about REVEAL.</p>
<p>FIVE<br />
<a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2007/10/so_many_christi.html"><strong>So Many Infant Christians</strong></a><br />
Why are we so good at leading people to faith and so bad at prodding them to maturity?</p>
<p>SIX<br />
<a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2007/02/sayonara_senior.html"><strong>Sayonara, Senior Pastor</strong></a></p>
<p>SEVEN<br />
<a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2007/03/goodbye_religio_1.html"><strong>Goodbye Religion, Hello Spirituality</strong></a><br />
Is there a place for the Christian &#8220;religion&#8221; in the 21st Century?</p>
<p>EIGHT<br />
<a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2007/08/thus_saith_the.html"><strong>Thus Saith the Radio</strong></a><br />
Does Christian radio have more influence over your flock than you do?</p>
<p>NINE<br />
<a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2007/09/alien_nation.html"><strong>Alien Nation</strong></a><br />
One pastor’s perspective on the immigration debate—and immigration opportunity.</p>
<p>TEN<br />
<a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2007/07/a_former_pastor.html"><strong>A Former Pastor Goes Church Shopping</strong></a><br />
And he wrestles with the advantages and disadvantages of mainline and nondenominational churches.</div>
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		<title>Merry Christmas, In Praise of Joseph</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My pastor spoke about the faithfulness of Joseph in the Christmas story on Sunday and edified me greatly.  He emphasized that Joseph really says nothing in the Christmas story mentioned about him in Mt. 1:18-25.  He is simply there and faithful.  Our pastor continued that  this kind of faithfulness is something the church needs more [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pastor spoke about the faithfulness of Joseph in the Christmas story on Sunday and edified me greatly.  He emphasized that Joseph really says nothing in the Christmas story mentioned about him in Mt. 1:18-25.  He is simply there and faithful.  Our pastor continued that  this kind of faithfulness is something the church needs more of.
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		<title>YWAM, Los Angeles Times, Colorado shootings</title>
		<link>http://discusstheology.com/index.php/2007/12/21/ywam-los-angeles-times-colorado-shootings/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who or what is YWAM?
An excellent piece was produced by the Los Angeles Times newspaper which you can read here:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mission18dec18,0,3328849.story?coll=la-home-center



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<strong>Who or what is YWAM?</strong>

An excellent piece was produced by the Los Angeles Times newspaper which you can read <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mission18dec18,0,3328849.story?coll=la-home-center" target="_blank">here:</a>

<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mission18dec18,0,3328849.story?coll=la-home-center">
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